5384 beta 2 first impressions

Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message

Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Sure it did, didn't it? Certainly did with the leaked Sidebar for XP - the one that was in 4053.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

I thought he was referring to beta builds 5112 and up, not the alphas. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Sure it did, didn't it? Certainly did with the leaked Sidebar for XP - the one that was in 4053.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Press and Release ALT, just like IE 7. You can also permanently display it by Tools/Options/View, tick Always Show Classic Menus.
-- </Slugsie> "Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message

Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.

Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over it...
"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message

Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

In Vista Build 5308, it kind of does have an hide feature but not auto hide from what I see. When the side bar is open and you right click on a empty space on it it will give you a menu. One of the choices that you can select is Hide Sidebar. Granted, to have it show again, you will have to either double click on the icon in the tray that looks like a white life saver's candy or right click on it and choose Show Sidebar.
-- Jason Windows Vista, Build 5308
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the clock there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time :o)
Very cool :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Lang Murphy" wrote in message

Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over it...
"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Yeah... if I could only get the Office Beta 2 to install... it's saying I don't have admin rights, which I do... must've turned on/off the wrong thing in gpedit... sigh...
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the clock there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time :o)
Very cool :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Lang Murphy" wrote in message Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over it...
"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Ha! Weird! I just added myself to the users group and the Office install kicked off... ooo-eeeee-ooooo
"Lang Murphy" wrote in message

Yeah... if I could only get the Office Beta 2 to install... it's saying I don't have admin rights, which I do... must've turned on/off the wrong thing in gpedit... sigh...
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the clock there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time :o)
Very cool :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Lang Murphy" wrote in message Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over it...
"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700 SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed on 1st logical partition (D:), Vista on 2nd one(E:).
Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2 hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the case by the time RTM rolls out.
Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive. However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke them.
The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me g>). I can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it should be possible to activate it.
More later on. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------

Installed on my machine. ASUS A8N mobo AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 2GB PC3200 DDR RAM 2 250GB Seagate Drives RAID
Runs like a dream. I was not going to update to final Vista because there were so many things I didn't like about older builds, but they are getting better as they go along.

"The Dude" wrote in message

Installed on my machine. ASUS A8N mobo AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 2GB PC3200 DDR RAM 2 250GB Seagate Drives RAID
Runs like a dream. I was not going to update to final Vista because there were so many things I didn't like about older builds, but they are getting better as they go along.

How did you get it to install on the Raid? Is it using promise fasttrak 378 or sil? I've got the Asus A8V Deluxe and no idea how to install it on my Raid FastTrak 378 when I've not found any drivers for putting on floppy and using durring the install.

AMDX2 wrote:

"The Dude" wrote in message
Installed on my machine. ASUS A8N mobo AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 2GB PC3200 DDR RAM 2 250GB Seagate Drives RAID
Runs like a dream. I was not going to update to final Vista because there were so many things I didn't like about older builds, but they are getting better as they go along.
How did you get it to install on the Raid? Is it using promise fasttrak 378 or sil? I've got the Asus A8V Deluxe and no idea how to install it on my Raid FastTrak 378 when I've not found any drivers for putting on floppy and using durring the install.
My xp 378 drivers work just fine for me.

Frank

I haven't tried that yet, but thanks for reminding me :) -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Lang Murphy" a écrit dans le message de news: ePsYQvDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity | set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over | it...

I may have used the wrong word. In 5308 it would become almost totally transparent when the mouse was away from it. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" a écrit dans le message de news: e2NMaYDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.

"Pierre Szwarc" wrote in message

I may have used the wrong word. In 5308 it would become almost totally transparent when the mouse was away from it. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" a écrit dans le message de news: e2NMaYDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.

Ya, the sidebar in 5381 is totally transparent with the mouse not on it which I thought looked kinda cool. The left side of it where the border line is would disappear and I thought that was kinda cool. When I move the mouse over it then it would slowly fade in like. Come to front like. I think that's kind of neat.

"Frank" wrote in message

AMDX2 wrote: "The Dude" wrote in message
Installed on my machine. ASUS A8N mobo AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 2GB PC3200 DDR RAM 2 250GB Seagate Drives RAID
Runs like a dream. I was not going to update to final Vista because there were so many things I didn't like about older builds, but they are getting better as they go along.
How did you get it to install on the Raid? Is it using promise fasttrak 378 or sil? I've got the Asus A8V Deluxe and no idea how to install it on my Raid FastTrak 378 when I've not found any drivers for putting on floppy and using durring the install. My xp 378 drivers work just fine for me. Frank

I might not be using my correct disk, but I think I am. I don't know, I'll have to look. My board is the Asus A8V deluxe on my ABS Ultimate M5-64 pc which I bought from ABS a year and a half ago Oct 2004 I think. Still a great powerfull pc. I was using a floppy that said raid drivers, but I forget if it's the one that came with this pc or not. I guess I'll have to download the xp drivers from the promise or asus web site and try that, but i do think vista will give a message saying they're not made for vista and won't work.

It still does this in Beta2, but the "gadgets" remain opaque by default. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"AMDX2" a écrit dans le message de news: eXjzcNLgGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | Ya, the sidebar in 5381 is totally transparent with the mouse not on it | which I thought looked kinda cool. The left side of it where the border line | is would disappear and I thought that was kinda cool. When I move the mouse | over it then it would slowly fade in like. Come to front like. I think | that's kind of neat. | |